tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post5523829048509881491..comments2024-01-14T09:03:20.015-08:00Comments on Against the Wind: How do you "control" your students?Nunavut_tweeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-28477879975333331242011-01-04T07:01:53.271-08:002011-01-04T07:01:53.271-08:00Hi Shawn,
Thanks for your comments. My experience...Hi Shawn,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments. My experience has been that when I tried to "control" students through the first 4, especially the punisher, that is where I had the highest incidence of rebellion. That is why I stopped and created a class based more on student input; One based on students solving their problems has worked best for me.Nunavut_tweeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-13956008918718897282011-01-03T00:56:04.274-08:002011-01-03T00:56:04.274-08:00@Douglas Green: The Doctor Phil approach seems man...@Douglas Green: The Doctor Phil approach seems managerial. In fact, the tone of the wording is almost congruent with that of the manager. On the other hand, Dr. Phil is rather arrogant about it, which shows that approach adds another layer to these five types of control. I can imagine a multi-dimensional continuum of approaches from shoving it down their throats to befriending to seducing (in the follow me way) to ...<br /><br />The managerial type of control is obviously the strongest for creating students who can control, think and decide for themselves, but it is also the most vulnerable to mutiny or rebellion. Some students, many of whom I know, take a mile!Shawn Urban (stefras)http://bit.ly/stefnodenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-79129277043769439672010-12-19T14:20:09.648-08:002010-12-19T14:20:09.648-08:00I enjoyed the post. As I reflect, I know what both...I enjoyed the post. As I reflect, I know what bothers me, this *need* to control. 36 kids grant you leadership; a teacher (person) *never* controls another. Follow my thoughts with Foucault on power relations and Willis' research on resistance.blaw0013https://www.blogger.com/profile/13023564844812039091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-13835991205917297962010-12-14T14:51:46.518-08:002010-12-14T14:51:46.518-08:00Paul, exactly. They are intrinsically motivated to...Paul, exactly. They are intrinsically motivated to to control themselves if I am reading you correctly.Nunavut_tweeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-81061066259913364572010-12-14T14:35:01.579-08:002010-12-14T14:35:01.579-08:00I "control" my kids by making sure they ...I "control" my kids by making sure they have the tools, time, and materials they need to be successful and explore. When they are "out-of-control" it is usually a sign of boredom, and I need to re-tweak what I make available to them. <br /><br />In the end, they usually simply want to be "in-control" because what they can do is simply more interesting than when they are notPaul Bogushhttp://blogush.edublogs.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-37932288461740115952010-12-12T19:53:16.625-08:002010-12-12T19:53:16.625-08:00Hear, hear!
Definitely a thought-provoking post.Hear, hear!<br /><br />Definitely a thought-provoking post.Tyler (@MrTRice_Science)http://trice25.edbulogs.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-64218362992785926702010-12-12T17:46:45.615-08:002010-12-12T17:46:45.615-08:00The manager term is not my own. I see the manager ...The manager term is not my own. I see the manager as a facilitator. The answer to your question is yes. The only one that can control my students is themselves.Nunavut_tweeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-89348968244307215522010-12-12T17:08:52.325-08:002010-12-12T17:08:52.325-08:00So, you see the "manager" role (in the c...So, you see the "manager" role (in the context in which you presented it) to be a facilitator of learning. For many people the term "manager" is closely associated with "boss."<br /><br />My question remains: Is it possible to teach without controlling your students?Tyler (@MrTRice_Science)http://trice25.edbulogs.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-75298221964308426592010-12-12T15:10:39.498-08:002010-12-12T15:10:39.498-08:00The pure role of manager is a way of control. Howe...The pure role of manager is a way of control. However, it is an intrinsic way for students to control themselves, not the teacher telling them how to behave by guilting, etc. So, I see the way of manager as a way for students to control themselves.Nunavut_tweeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-38841498090067770482010-12-12T15:03:32.935-08:002010-12-12T15:03:32.935-08:00Are you presenting these as the only 5 options for...Are you presenting these as the only 5 options for working with students, or the 5 main ways to control students?<br /><br />Is it possible to teach without controlling your students?Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14486074729856186372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-29654331360832881342010-12-11T22:52:16.805-08:002010-12-11T22:52:16.805-08:00In the U.S., or at least in California, all new te...In the U.S., or at least in California, all new teachers learn this in the credential program...Jaime Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06040093582812752783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-46840781964378884052010-12-11T22:11:46.392-08:002010-12-11T22:11:46.392-08:00Thanks for the comments. Mr. Kent, indeed, I belie...Thanks for the comments. Mr. Kent, indeed, I believe new teachers would benefit from knowing this. For me this is a reminder to work with students to solve their own problems.Nunavut_tweeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843569330908992824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-13128257665792497142010-12-11T19:41:35.296-08:002010-12-11T19:41:35.296-08:00Good post, Nunavut_teacher. I think this is somet...Good post, Nunavut_teacher. I think this is something that all good teachers develop naturally. However, it would help to share these types of control with new teachers. They need to become aware of how they are trying to control the students.Jordan Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10434150770149096847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2758981773206245192.post-71130719861918111232010-12-11T16:46:29.208-08:002010-12-11T16:46:29.208-08:00How about the Dr. Phil approach? As you may recall...How about the Dr. Phil approach? As you may recall he is noted for saying "how's that working for you." I prefer the what did you do and what happened approach. I was an elementary principal for 13 years in a school with 90% free/reduced lunch and 25% refugees. I worked very hard to get the child to own their behavior so they could see how it was in their best interests (not mine) to behave in a different manner. It wasn't about me and my ego wasn't in the game. I got paid no matter how bad a given child behaved. For more self-development content, check my blog at DrDougGreen.Com. Keep up the good work.<br />Douglas W. Green. EdDDouglas W. Green, EdDhttp://drdouggreen.comnoreply@blogger.com